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Nov 03, 2005, 09:45 AM // 09:45
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Academy Page
Join Date: Aug 2005
Profession: W/Rt
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W/Mo Paladin builds pvp and pve
These are the builds I usually use everywhere. Beeing a paladin is the best way to stay alive and help your team at the same time.
The Hero. 1. Sever 2. Gash 3. Galrath's Slash 4. Battle Rage [elite] 5. Bonetti's Defense 6. Healing Breeze 7. Mending 8. Rebirth/Restore Life/Res. sig. The Paladin. 1. Sever/Power Attack/Hamstring 2. Galrath's Slash 3. Final Thrust 4. Berserker Stance 5. Healing Hands 6. Vigourous Spirit 7. Live Vicariously 8. Rebirth/Restore Life/Res. sig. The Last One. 1. Hundred Blades [elite] 2. Galrath's Slash 3. Final Thrust 4. Shield Stance 5. Bonetti's Defense 6. Vigourous Spirit 7. Live Vicariously 8. Rebirth/Restore Life/Res. sig. The Ever Lasting Warmaster. 1. Galrath's Salsh 2. Final Thrust 3. Bonetti's Defense 4. Gladiator's Defense 5. Healing Sig. 6. Healing Breeze 7. Mending 8. Rebirth/Vengence/Res. sig This build is mostly for FoW....not too good in pvp.... UWill die. 1. Banish / Symbol of Wrath 2. Holy Strike 3. Galrath's Slash 4. Final Thrust 5. Galdiator's Defense / Shield of Judgment 6. Shield Stance 7. Healing Sig. / Bonetti's defense 8. Rebirth This is the tank's build for UW, the rest of the party, u know it  *edit The Hero II. 1. Sever 2. Gash 3. Galrath's Slash 4. Final Thrust 5. Battle Rage [elite] 6. Mend ailment 7. Reversal of Fortune / Pacifism / Hex removers 8. Rebirth/Restore Life/Res. sig. Spike, not blinded, good damage! Quote:
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I DO NOT want to see any of these: BOO PALADINS ARE SHIT LEAVE GW U NOOB!!! Plz give your point of view (justified lol) about these builds and even post some new ones of modify what u feel should be modified. 
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Nov 03, 2005, 10:27 AM // 10:27
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
Profession: Mo/
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Yeah, paladin is just frowned upon because the template is considered to be very poor, and most people assume anyone using a W/Mo is using the template. Anyway, here's a paladin build I was using (and found to be quite party friendly) the other day:
Sever Artery Gash Galrath's Slash Final Thrust Battle Rage [e] Purge Signet Succor Resurrection Signet Slightly healer dependant if people target you, but most tended to ignore me (other than a few hexes which were easily purged) because I look like the usual paladin, so I ended up taking very little damage. Just give succor to two casters (If there's another w/mo, try to convince them to cast mending on you in exchange for one of the succor castings), and keep rage up as much as possible. Then just pick on whatever target, you should be able to take anything down pretty quickly if they don't heal, or slightly longer if they do. If they run... well, just rage after them. Free criticals and taking someone (effectively) out of the battle is nice.  Could probably be a lot better, but I found it pretty effective. It also has an interesting side effect vs energy denial players, but that's another story for another thread. |
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Nov 03, 2005, 10:35 AM // 10:35
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Aug 2005
Guild: Eternal Comrades
Profession: E/Mo
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Nov 03, 2005, 12:05 PM // 12:05
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Academy Page
Join Date: Aug 2005
Profession: W/Rt
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I still say that sword is the best think for a warrior....That's how I feel... Quote:
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Nov 03, 2005, 12:14 PM // 12:14
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Elite Guru
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester, England
Guild: SMS/Victrix
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Personally I agree with the other guy, axes are my preferred warrior weapon, or hammers even in some pvp builds, the damage on swords is just a bit low (cripple on demand with hamstring is ok though) - the minimum damage for an axe doesn't play much of a roll when you have a high rank in the skill Also for tanking and being defensive with the axe you can combine Vigerous Spirit, Live Vicariously, Cyclone Axe, and Bonetti's Defense - the cyclone axe can quickly charge up the bonetti's if you are surrounded - and you still have room for elites there, eviscerate maybe, I personally think this is the best warrior skill there is |
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Nov 03, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55
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Banned
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him.
Guild: Sand Scorpions [SS]
Profession: W/Mo
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Nov 03, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Manchester, UK
Profession: W/
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I'm not really concerned with PvE anymore. So I'll just comment on the PvP build(s)......err......where are the PvP builds..??
Problem is like all W/Mo's and the template -- it just smacks of self-healing and defensive stances. You may believe you've got some skills to help teammates but simply put -- you haven't. You can't take off enchantments, you can't break stances and you don't really do any damage. Can people still not see why Mending is not worth 1 pip of your energy regen :? 6 HP a second WILL NOT be a game winner -- at most you'll pro-long your own death for an extra few seconds. The same goes for Healing Breeze. Defensive Stances on a Warrior......again WHY ?? You've got the highest armour class in the game and smart opponents will simply disable you ( through Hexes + Conditions ) and kill you last. They should really remove the Paladin pre-made -- it's simply aweful. But for the sake of argument -- let's say we do wish to create a "Paladin-type" character -- I'd do something like this: Protection Prayers 10 Swordsmanship 16 ( 12 + 4 ) Strength 9 ( 8 + 1 ) Rez Sig Sever Gash Galrath Slash Final Thrust Frenzy Sprint Life Barrier (E) Weapon Mastery Helm Gladiators: Chest, Legs, Hands 1x Zealous Sword 1x Sword Slap Life Barrier on your Monk. He takes 40% less damage. It's far from perfect -- but it's 100x better than any "self-sufficient" W/Mo Last edited by Man With No Name; Nov 03, 2005 at 01:59 PM // 13:59.. |
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Nov 03, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57
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Academy Page
Join Date: Aug 2005
Profession: W/Rt
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sry for posting twice in a row, but I have to say this. Quote:
And your "PVP" build is only useful in "team" arenas, not competition ones. And since you use strength, use berserk not frenzy, monks get mad when people use frenzy.... TRUST ME!
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Nov 03, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04
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Banned
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him.
Guild: Sand Scorpions [SS]
Profession: W/Mo
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but seriously, i love mending. those 3 pips have saved me more than once, ill tell you that. and healing breeze is like my godmother/father type thing. i think |
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Nov 03, 2005, 03:30 PM // 15:30
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: UK
Guild: Portrayors of Valour [pV]
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I SERIOUSLY hope you're not talking about Tombs/GvG. Competition arenas.............. ok........... but ANYTHING ELSE PVP RELATED. Please, dear God...no... |
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Nov 03, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Chicago, IL
Profession: W/N
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W/Mo with brains will use Strength of Honor over Mending.
Why? Cause dead enemies don't hurt you that's why... Here's my take on a sword toting W/Mo Knight of the round... Jedi Knight build for pvp Sever Gash [hey, it's the deep wound that r0x0rs baby] Galrath Slash Final Thrust Frenzy Sprint Strength of Honor Signet of Judgement {E}/Res Sig Does it need an elite? Well, maybe not. Monk smite elites are very limited and sword elites are just uh... yeah... But Judgment Signet could rock for people trying to get away... |
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Nov 03, 2005, 04:35 PM // 16:35
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Texas
Guild: Brewed to Perfection [BtP]
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The main reason people really hate the paladin build is because it is so inefficent.
Let me state, if you want to bring healing to your team, play a monk. monks have more pips of energy regen all your attributes will be focused to saving people warriors have only 2 pips of energy regen, a very low energy base, etc mending and healing breeze are actually very inefficient as well. THere was a post floating around a few weeks ago that showed ALL of the monk healing spells with there hp per-point-of-energy. Mending and breeze were low. Paladin builds really don't help the team all that much. Mediocre dmg, Mediocre healing They try to delve into two opposite functions, and the end result is that neither is very strong. Trust me, I've tried, I've tried again, I've stopped and come back, and the onlly really ok W/Mo healing paladin is a W/Mo axe farmer that some1 listed above. Before I list my build that I use, I want to explain several things. -when attacking a target fleeing you, you get a critical every single time -frenzy is not necessarily bad. Let me explain. Warriors are usually targetted last, so an increased attack speed that is cheap,and lasts 8 seconds is VERY good. However, once you start taking dmg, turn on sprint. You can only have 1 stance at a time, so if you are worried about double dmg as they hit u, turn on sprint, and frenzy is turned off -swords and axes have the exact same attack speed One argument that many paladins make is that they can keep there allies alive in battle. Sure, this is all well and good, and sure, u may be the one saving people in the absense of a monk, but you may only get a few wins this way, as your damage is going to be really low. I usually go in as damage, and hope I get a monk, and if not, hope we can kill the other team b4 they have a chance to kill us. While I may not win a few initial ones, the end outcome is I get on a team w/ a good monk, and we get a long streak, rather than a few "lucky" breaks here and there Here is the W/Mo build that I use, and I will attempt to explain it as best I can. Axe:15 Smite: 10 Str: 9 (might be 10, i dont remember) -penetrating blow -executioners strike -eviscerate -frenzy or beserkers -sprint -rez sig -Strength of Honor (+ x dmg) -Judges Insight (20% armor penetration, and holy dmg) @ 10 smite, it lasts 16 seconds your 3 attack skills are all adrenaline based, and are very effective especially when you spike them all in a row. W/ judges insight up when I spike, Ive gotten eviscerate up to 194 damage, and executioners to 190. Strenght of honor adds 7 more dmg for me (not bad) but because it is an enchantment, it fuels my swords and shields that give bonus while enchanted (judges insight does the same, but Str is permanent basically, dont have to worry about energy) use frenzy or beskers stance to get adrenaline fast, try to keep up judges insight as much as you can. When the enemy runs, I'm not "o shit" im like "O DEAR GOD, YES THANK YOU". vs enemy casters that are running, your doing a crit every single hit, and w/ judges insight, I've gotten it to 87 dmg , a hit, without attack skills. Imagine that you then used eviscerate..... Thats a lot of dmg with one skill. Even against warriors, just turn on judges insight, and your doing 50 dmg a pop. Another bonus, vs necs that use the armor that takes increased dmg from holy? guess what judges insight does.... Rather than trying to keep your team alive, leave that job to the monk, and dish out as much dmg as you can. I used this last week, died the first few times in CA, then got a god awesome group with another monk, mesmer, and warrior, and proceeded to tear apart the team arenas after we got the 10 wins in competition. After stuff like this, a sword just doesnt compare, the damage is weak. The trying to heal at the same time just limits you. The only good self heals are the ones that are already in the attributes you are using (ether feast for inspiration mesmers, etc) |
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Nov 03, 2005, 07:57 PM // 19:57
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: May 2005
Location: New Jersey
Guild: Idiot Savants
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Nov 03, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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Signet of Judgement is pretty poor, but in signet smiters (warrior buffers) with mantra of inscriptions it passes off as distinctly average. Shield of Judgement always seemed to be essential on primary monk smiters in ca. It makes everyone stop hitting you or die, which is quite important as a non-healer primary monk. Ya, deep wound is good. But your spike consists of 4 strikes, and im assuming your spiking because anyone wanting to put out dps would have taken something along the lines of battle rage [e], which, considering you have no elite and all adrenaline attacks works well. And, the loose all condition doesnt matter too much since its obviously just a ca build. Anyway... 4 strikes is a bull spike - ah yeah, your finishing with final... must be a spike. Yeah - thats not good. Quote: Do you need an elite, well maybe not Un-Quote ........... Ive made one build in the last year that couldnt be made better with an elite.. turned out i was wrong. That build... does. |
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Nov 03, 2005, 09:13 PM // 21:13
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Academy Page
Join Date: Oct 2005
Guild: Haz Team
Profession: W/Mo
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I've built more of a tank than a paladin. I worry more about myself in the healing departmant.
Sever artery Galrath's slash Final Thrust Mending Remove conditions defensive stance shield stance res sig/res Last edited by Ard Wen; Nov 03, 2005 at 09:18 PM // 21:18.. |
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Nov 03, 2005, 11:06 PM // 23:06
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Apr 2005
Profession: N/A
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Actually, paladins aren't nearly as bad as people are making them out to be (IMO). They're pretty much the only type of character that can penetrate an enemy's back line and go chasing after an enemy monk and such.
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Nov 04, 2005, 12:06 AM // 00:06
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Texas
Guild: Brewed to Perfection [BtP]
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In fact, I'm going to go so far as to say my W/Mo non-pally can do much better. (posted above if you want to see) Why? -I've got the same armor as the pally. -I've got the dmg to make a caster run, in which case, I have the skills to catch up and inflict critical after critical. What does the pally have? -A ton of useless spells, that have low hp gain per point of energy -Very low dmg out put What do you think a monk is going to be afraid of, an axe warrior w/ armor penetration/ignore spiking huge amounts of dmg at once? Or a Paladin that is so focused on spamming healing spells as fast as the monk hes fighting, and trying to stack bleeding? I normally don't see monks run from Paladins. A monk can just tank one all day I most definately see monks run from axe spikes. When a monk runs, hes not healing... Why is this? A sword warrior usually has two spikes, Galrash and Final thrust. Final thrust is only really effective vs enemies who have hp less than 50%. So until the paladins team gets some1 below that threshold, hes spamming bleed and deep wound (both easy to get rid of), and galrath. An axe is effective whether your at full hp or 75%, or 40%, etc. |
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Nov 04, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Apr 2005
Profession: N/A
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You're really over-exagerating the loss in attack power to gain a small amount of healing. As a monk player, I'm really not afraid of a single warrior of ANY type. It's only when they focus that they become dangerous. But then, multiple deep wounds from eviscerate isn't really going to help spike, anyway.
When you do go chasing after an enemy in the back lines you really have to make sure that you can get back in case you get focused. Or if you get blinded. Or if you get snared. Of course, a paladin won't be capable of handling all those situations either, but still, a paladin has a much, much longer range, and can also double as a runner. Last edited by Lasareth; Nov 04, 2005 at 03:54 AM // 03:54.. Reason: Reference to deleted material |
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Nov 04, 2005, 03:50 AM // 03:50
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Las Vegas
Profession: W/
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[QUOTE=traversc]. As a monk player, I'm really not afraid of a single warrior of ANY type.
You must only be playing againist paladins. |
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Nov 04, 2005, 03:53 AM // 03:53
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Aquarius
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Somewhere between Boardwalk and Park Place
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Guys, try to keep the topic about the build. No need to harass other players because they may use it.
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